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07-19-88SpMtg128 JULY 19, 1988 A Special Meeting of the City Commission of the City of Delray Beach, Florida, was called to order by Mayor Doak S. Campbell in the Commission Chambers at City Hall at 7:05 P.M., Tuesday, July 19, ~1988. 1. Roll call showed: Present - Commissioner Marie Horenburger Commissioner Mary McCarty Commissioner Jimmy Weatherspoon Mayor Doak S. Campbell Absent - Commissioner Patricia Brainerd ~ Also present were - City Manager Walter O. Barry and City Attorney Herbert W.A. Thiele. Mayor Campbell called the meeting to order and announced ~hat this meeting has been called for the purpose of (1) Considering Change Order No. 1 - Atlantic Avenue trees and signs; (2) Considering ap- pointment of member to the Civil Service Board to a term ending June 30, 1990. 1. The City Manager reported there was some question as to whether the City wanted to modify the sign presented to the Commission earlier; they had asked the designer to take a second look at the frame which surrounds the sign. There was also some discussion with regard to the type of tree to be placed along Atlantic Avenue. Mayor Campbell stated he has talked with several people, including Connie Tuttle of the DDA, and has not found real support going in the direction he had hoped for with regard to the trees; therefore, he asks that the Commission not consider that change order. Ian Nestler, Sasaki & Associates, presented a rendering of the entryway sign to Atlantic Avenue and a model of a section of the post so the Commission could get a sense of what this post would be like. Mr. Nestler advised the post goes up and encircles the logo and is approxi- mately 14 to 16 feet high. He also presented renderings of the logo itself. He-stated originally the sign said "Delray Beach", then people said they wanted it to say something different like "The Avenue" and now people are suggesting it should say "Downtown". However, the important thing is to get some kind of closure on the concept of the sign, the color and approval to go forward. Mr. Nestler added that the theme for the sign follows through with the individual sign posts along the Avenue. Upon question by Leonard Syrop, High Point, Chris Rogers, representing the design group, advised that the sign is painted alumi- num, the post as well as the column. It will be durable weatherwise and probably would only have to be repainted every five years of so. Digby Bridges, CAB Chairman, advised that the Board felt the sign was not in keeping with the lighting; they liked the logo but did not approve of how it was housed. Mr. Nestler stated he felt it was in keeping with the lightposts and grates; they would all be painted the same color. Alice Finst, 707 Place Tavant, stated she has heard the Commis- sion argue about signage and cannot believe that anyone else in town could come in with a sign in these proportions (three feet by sixteen feet high) and the Commission would say that it was a good sign. She asked if they thought the City would be able to keep children from scaling to the very top of the structure and not accept liability. She urged the Commission tO consider some type of monument sign; also look into the Sign Code where at one time she remembers there was a prohibi- tion of any pole signs in the downtown area. Mark David, architect and planner, stated pole signs are passe everywhere; they are certainly not the best designed for a town that is trying to establish a quality character of its signage. He felt the Commission should ask for a redesign of a ground sign. Elizabeth Matthews, 1024 White Drive, commented that she hoped the legend on the sign does not say "The Avenue" because this might indicate that Atlantic Avenue stops at the Intracoastal Waterway; it actually does go to A1A. Ms. Horenburger questioned the location for the entryway signs at the corners of Atlantic and Swinton Avenues; one corner is the Old School Square and it seems to her that the City is looking at having a real presence on that corner, so why would they want two large signs there. She concurred with Mrs. Finst's comments about children climbing the sign and definitely agrees about the sign being too high. Ms. Horenburger stated she also would like to see a monument type sign. Ms. McCarty concurred with Ms. Horenburger's statements. She stated she was very much in favor of the colors selected for the logo. Mr. Weatherspoon stated since the Commission is in disagreement with the sign location, size and type, he was wondering why we need a sign in the first place; he was in favor of eliminating it altogether. It was the consensus of the Commission that they approved of the logo but not the characterization of the frame and would advise a second look at this by the designer. To save time, it might be advis- able to bring this issue back to the Commission at a workshop. 2. Mayor Campbell reported there is a vacancy on the Civil Service Board; Mrs. Cady Schmidt is leaving the board. Ms. McCarty moved to appoint Howard Weiner as a permanent member of the Civil Service Board to a term ending June 30, 1990, seconded by Ms. Horenburger. Upon roll call the Commission voted as follows: Ms. Horenburger - Yes; Ms. McCarty - Yes; Mr. Weatherspoon - Yes; Mayor Campbell - Yes. Said motion passed with a 4 to 0 vote. Mayor Campbell advised they now have an alternate position open on the Board. The City Manager reported that one person expressed interest in the position and it would be up to the Commission if they wished to s61icit ~or more applicants. Ms. Horenburger and Ms. McCarty stated if there .is one person who is interested enough to send in a valid application, they would have no problem moving forward on it. Ms. McCarty moved to appoint Sandra Almy to the Civil Service Board as an alternate, seconded by Ms. Horenburger. Upon roll call the Commission voted as follows: Ms. Horenburger - Yes; Ms. McCarty - Yes; Mr. Weatherspoon - Yes; Mayor Campbell - No. Said motion passed with a 3 to 1 vote. Mayor Campbell declared the meeting adjourned at 7:35 P.M. ATTEST: The undersigned is the City Clerk of the City of Delray Beach and that the information provided herein is the minutes of the meeting -2- 7/19/88 130 which formally of said City Commission of July 19, 1988, minutes w~e. approved and adopted by the City Commission on~. NOTE TO READER: If the minutes that you have received are not completed as indicated above, then this means that these are not the official minutes of City Commission. They will become the official minutes only after they have been reviewed and approved which may involve some amendments, additions, or deletions to the minutes as set forth above. -3- 7/19/88