12-29-82SpMtg DECEMBER 29, 1982
A Special Meeting of the City Council of the City of Delray
Beach, Florida, was called to order by Mayor Willard V. Young in the
Conference Room at City Hall at 4:00 P.M., Wednesday, December 29, 1982.
1. Roll call showed:
Present - Council Member Malcolm T. Bird
Council Member Leo A. Blair
Council Member Arthur Jackel
Council Member Edward L. Perry
Mayor Willard V. Young
Absent - None
Also present were - City Manager Gordon D. Tiffany, and
City Attorney Herbert W.A. Thiele.
Mayor Young announced that this meeting has been called for
the purpose of (1) discussing the service levels for various parts of
the City to be included in the garbage contract.
1. Council discussion was had regarding the location of areas
on the map provided. Council Members agreed that Tropic Isle would
require backdoor pickup. The City Manager pointed out that the lines
shown on the map are not suggested service boundaries; they are only the
current routes. He suggested that Mr. Bob Gance and himself come back
to Council at next Tuesday's workshop with an Alternative ~1.
Mr. Bird advised that he would accept 8th Avenue north of
Atlantic and 7th Avenue south of Atlantic as the boundaries. Mrs. Kathi
Sumrall, Clean Community System, suggested that Federal Highway is a
better choice because if they use 7th or 8th Avenue, one side of the
street will have backdoor pickup and the other side will have carts at
the curb; this could cause a neighborhood problem. Council discussion
was had in this regard.
The City Manager noted that the City is providing backdoor
service, but Pelican Harbor is not taking advantage of it and might want
to continue with curb service.
Mr. Bird stated that they can take Spanish Trail to the
termination on the south end of Avenue L and treat Pelican Harbor as
part of their curbside pickup. Upon question by Mr. Jackel, Mr. Bird
replied the only other areas he was going to make suggestions about was
curbside pickup for Tropic Palms and Bass Creek. He added that he feels
there should be another service described which is curbside service with
people using their own containers; this is the type of service most
people in the City use.
Mr. Bird further stated that if they do as he suggested, the
area with Linton Boulevard as the north boundary, 1-95 as the west
boundary, the C-15 Canal on the south and Spanish Trail on the east
would then become frontdoor curbside pickup.
Mr. Gance suggested that if they take Congress Avenue to
Military Trail and Del Aire north to the northernmost street in Rain-
berry Bay, they can pretty much assume that it would be all curbside.
Council Members and Mr. Gance agreed that 1-95 would be a better bound-
ary than Congress. Mr. Bird added that anything further east of Spanish
Trail would also be curbside pickup. The City Manager noted that they
will have three types of curbside pickup.
Mr. Bird suggested taking the Lake Ida Road line east to
N.E. 8th Avenue so that they use the line already described; he asked if
there would be any problem with that. Mr. Perry suggested that instead
of N.E. 8th Avenue anything north of 8th Avenue should shunt over to
Palm Trail, because on N.E. 8th Avenue north of N.E. 8th Street you're
again into multiple family.
Council discussed the area north of Lake Ida Road and east
of Lake Ida to the line already defined. Mr. Perry stated he has spoken
with people in the area west of Swinton to Lake Ida and his general
impression was that they like the rollcarts. Further discussion fol-
lowed.
The City Manager advised that they will draw a map as de-
scribed today and will bring that back to Council for workshop next
Tuesday. They will try to have ready a service description from the
users' point of view. He is still waiting for input from Mrs. Sumrall
or Tim Hunt and input from the contractors. Council should notify him
if there is any additional information they would like to have prepared.
Mr. Bird stated that now they have satisfied the frontdoor/
backdoor area, the area now in question is west of Swinton, east of Lake
Ida. Mayor Young noted that when Country Manors and High Point come
into the system, they will be curbside. Mr. Bird stated that it is his
opinion that the City should be in the business of providing containers
for some areas, to improve them from a health and aesthetic standpoint.
He is not sure he is prepared to provide them for people who would keep
their area clean anyway. The City Manager advised that the contract, as
written now, would shift that responsibility to the contractor. Discus-
sion was had in this regard.
Mrs. Sumrall stated that the reason the CCS wanted the City
to use the rollout cart is because they felt that if the homeowner puts
it out in a plastic bag, it is susceptible to dogs and wind and if they
put it out in their own containers, there will be many different kinds
of garbage cans out in the street all over town. They felt that rollout
carts would take care of those two problems. Mr. Jackel noted that
another problem is that most people do not want the carts. Further
Council discussion was had regarding carts.
Upon question by Mr. Perry, Mr. Gance advised that in the
areas such as Tropic Palms and the southwest area, they are doing those
areas quicker now that they have the Truxmore demo truck with the proper
lifting device for the rollout carts. The other two trucks were not
completely compatible with the lifting device and they were losing time
because of that. He further advised that the rear end loader is the
quickest and most efficient. Further Council discussion was had re-
garding equipment and types of containers. Discussion was also had
regarding whether or not to set a limit on the quantity of garbage and
trash left out for pickup.
Mr. Bird suggested that they publish the map and have a
public hearing so that anyone with an objection can bring it before
Council. Mrs. Sumrall stated that it would be helpful to the citizens
in their input if they could be provided with an idea of what the dif-
ferent rates will be for the different services. The City Manager
replied that they do not know now what the rates will be; everyone will
be getting a new type of service. Mr. Gance suggested that when they
publish the map they show only the suggested boundary lines and the type
of service, backdoor or curbside.
The City Manager advised that he will provide Council with
an estimated analysis of what the costs might be and what costs they
feel would have to be tacked on to whatever the actual contract price
might be.
It was Council's consensus to continue this issue at next
Tuesday night's workshop meeting.
Mayor Young declared the meeting adjourned at 5:10 P.M.
ATTEST: ~
MAYOR
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