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MARCH 30, 1978
A Special Meeting of the City Council of the City of Delray
Beach, Florida, was held in the Council Chambers at 4:08 P.M.,
Thursday, March 30, 1978, with Mayor James H. Scheifley presiding,
City Manager J. Eldon Mariott, Assistant City Attorney Clifford
Shandy, and Council members Robert D. Chapin, Aaron I. Sanson, IV,
and Leon M. Weekes, present. Councilman David E. Randolph was absent.
Mayor Scheifley called the meeting to order and announced
that same had been called for the purpose of consideration of Managed
Retention Insurance Program.
Ted Siver, of E.W. Siver & Associates, Inc., presented Council
a 5-page booklet containing specifications and solicit proposals for
a managed retention program for the City and explained each item
outlined in the booklet. He stated that before Council considers
the proposals, he wants to be sure they understand what a Managed
Retention Program is; that is, that the City will assume its own
losses up to a level and when that level should be exceeded at any
claim or aggregate of claims, as it were, then the insurance company,
the stop loss company, would take over - then it is the City's obli-
gation to hire the proper services, meaning loss adjustment, loss
control and safety, etc. He stated emphasis was on managed retention
and specifications called for managed retention, which is their model
program; however, they will accept any kind of 'proposal people want
to make.
Mayor Scheifley questioned that when you talk about a deductible
of $100,000 or $50,000, what determines it - the original claim or
the final claim? It was answered that the deductible is based on
the final claim. Mr. Siver stated that the City pays the first
$50,000 no matter what happens, or the first $100,000, or whatever
the contractual terms are.
Mr. Siver noted there are three plans under Worker's Compen-
sation - Retro-Annualized 3 Year Plan, Guaranteed Cost, and Managed
Retention Program. He proceeded to explain each plan and noted that
under the Managed Retention Program for Compensation, there is an
aggregate stop loss - that is when the losses got to $230,000, that
aggregate feature would take over. Under the liability program,
there is no aggregate feature; therefore, the City could have a
series of $100,000 losses, or whatever, and they would all be on them.
Mr. Sanson stated that, if he understands correctly, the City
would be, basically, responsible for the administrative part of this.
Mr. Siver confirmed this and stated that the legal defense is included
in this as part of the loss.
Mr. Chapin asked Mr.~ Siver what would he recommend. Mr. Siver
stated that he thinks it depends on the Council's frame of mind
about the sovereign immunity statute; if Council wants absolute
security with a top on everything, then he would suggest the Retro-
spective Rating Proposal submitted by Mr. Galloway through the Atlantic
Agency. On the other hand, if you're following the lead philosophy
that everybody seemed to be interested in in January, then the Managed
Retention Program is the way to go. The distinction between these
two programs is that (1) under Worker's Compensation under the Managed
Retention Program, you have $1 million excess of your self-insured
retention as opposed to, under the insured program, whatever is paid
out; (2) you have no aggregate under general liability and the impor-
tance of that and the decision of that has to do with Council's
feelings about the sovereign statute because therein lies the limita-
tions; the protections that would tend to make all that practical.
Mr. Sanson asked Mr. Siver, at this point, what does he feel
are the current statewide interpretations of the sovereign immunity
statute. Mr. Siver stated he was feeling very good about it until
last week; they had an Attorney General's opinion and then they had
a Second District Court of Appeal render a very obfuscated decision
having to do with subparagraph 9, dealing with the immunity of the
individual, and whether, in fact (this does not apply to municipalities),
the action was only against the County, or School Board, or part of
the State and whether the indemnity agreement included in statute
for the individuals was, in fact, legal. There are three decisions
- two say it is and one says it isn't. Mr. Siver stated that his
feelings, and he is not a lawyer~ is that the statute is there, it
is written now rather clearly and he thinks that until it is repealed
or until Resolution 93 and the Constitution Revision Committee be-
comes fact where .they waive all immunities, which is now a possibi-
lity, there is no reason not to accept 768.28 for what it says.
Mr. Weekes stated he would like to go back to Compensation to
look at the alternatives; assuming that the City would reasonably
expect $50,000 in losses and, if they take the retro plan, their ~
expense would be $20,291, as opposed to under the Managed Retention
Program, $96,117, the City has saved $24,000 plus the earnings, which
is fairly small. Mr. Siver noted that you have a five year pay-out
on compensation losses for a single year; therefore, you have money
compounding all the time. He stated he would say $50,000 might be
a little more liberal than they should use. Mr. Weekes stated that
his point is that, if they really get a bad one, then look at where
the City stands - you have an absolute max cost of $230,000 under the
Retro Plan, $298,000 under the Managed Retention Plan; the fear he
has with the exposure they have with the police officers, fire
fighters, the City could, at any time, pick up a really bad compen-
sation case. He stated that they have been very fortunate, but the
history of this City is that you don't stay that fortunate forever.
He stated he has to weigh whether $25,000, $30,000 or $35,000 poten-
tial saving is worth the potential loss in dollars to the City which,
in this case, a maximum would be $68,000.
Mr. Weber, the City's Finance Director, noted that within the
last 15 to 17 years, the City has had about three or four serious
losses. Mr. Weekes asked Mr. Weber if he feels, as Finance Director,
that the City should go with the Managed Retention Program on Work-
man's Compensation. Mr. Weber stated this would be his recommendation.
Mayor Scheifley asked which of these is the most conservative,
if the City should have a real bad year and a couple of bad cases,
which would be the best to have as far as coverage? Mr. Siver stated
that if you're talking about the one that is absolutely the most
rock bound conservative, it would have to be the Guaranteed Cost,
but you don't have any chance if you have to go back to your savings.
Mr. Weekes stated he would rule out the Guaranteed Cost
because the City has a good chance of beating the average and on
either one of the other two plans, you have a chance to save some
money, so the question is which way to go and how much money you have
an option of ~saving. He stated the only thing that really concerns
him is the jumbo loss on compensation rather than public liability.
Mr. Siver noted that the jumbo loss for the City would be -~
$150,000 plus the cost and there is the $1 million excess of $150,000
over the compensation; another point to be considered is that the
decision should be made to the extent that they are able not to con-
fine it to a single 12 month period. Mr. Siver stated he thinks
they are talking about a whole change of philosophy as to how you're
going to use insurance and how the City is going to shift risk from
now on. Possibly, they need to do some companion programs or possibly
some funded reserving in addition to what they are talking about here
so they can become less and less dependant on the insurance industry;
so that they can accept higher and higher self-insured retentions
because, in fact, they have actual funds put aside for it. Just
to say "gosh, we shouldn't take any risk for just $25,000", is part
of the picture but not the total picture. What they have been looking
at is a very steep ascension of cost for which there didn't seem to
be any great justification from one town to another; so they were
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trying to determine alternatives and there are only two ways to do
that (1) is the way by Retrospective Rating Program where everything
is within the basic embrace of an insurance company and you have
adjustment based on losses subject to maximum (2) the other side is
where you don't use the insurance company and you buy the so-called
stop loss, do your own services and get your own earnings.
Mr. Chapin asked that under the Managed Retention Program,
it is some time before you could do the insurance defense work, but
the first $50,000, does the City provide its own or does the Hewitt
Agency provide investigative, legal defense? Mr. Siver stated that
when the complaint is presented or when the loss occurs, then the
investigation, the claim handling, etc., are part of Hewitt's
responsibility and the cost is already there. They would set the
reserve and counsel with the lawyers, if it were a very serious
case, etc.
Mr. Chapin questioned whether the lawyers would be of
Hewitt's choosing; Mr. Siver said no, the lawyers would be of the
City's choosing.
Mr. Weekes stated that there is an assumption on the
analysis of losses of 64% WC, 18% GL and 18% Auto. Just for the
sake of conversation, if the percentage was reversed, where you
would have 18% WC and 64% in the other two categories and you have
$200,000 in losses, how would that affect the relationship between
the retro and managed retention? Mr. Siver answered that it would
improve the relationship, if the figures were reversed, because you
only have a $50,000 self-insured retention for liability and you
have $150,000 for compensation.
Upon question by Mr. Sanson, Mr. Siver stated that the loss
level assumption is based on the last five-year period for both
compensation and liability.
Upon question by Mayor Scheifley, the City Manager stated he
would go with the Managed Retention Plan. He stated, with the
Managed Retention Plan, he doesn't see that the City could get hurt
that much and, he thinks, there is a good chance they could save the
City $25,000 to $50,000.
The City Manager asked Mr. Siver if he foresees the City
incurring very much additional personnel expense in-house, as a
result of going to the Managed Retention Plan, if Council decides to
do that? Mr. Siver answered that Hewitt is going to do the compen-
sation and Gallagher is going to do the liability; there will
definitely be a greater input, a greater direct relationship because,
as the liability claim develops, there should be consultation between
Gallager (as an example) and the City Attorney and perhaps the City
Manager whether to engage outside counsel; however, he can't see the
need for use of very much City personnel time by doing this.
Mr. Sanson asked how do they get into the administrative end
of it. Mr. Siver stated that Hewitt and Gallagher do it. Part of
the specifications require that they do all the processing, they do
all of the filing for the necessary self-insurers, they produce all
of the loss experience, they set the reserves; all of this is done
through their computers.
Mayor Scheifley stated that since Mr. Weber and the City
Manager make the same recommendation and they are the closest to it,
he would go along with their recommendation.
Mr. Chapin stated that his feelings are that until and at
such time, that it is found to be unconstitutional, the presumption'is
that it is constitutional, and has been upheld in other jurisdictions
outside of Florida, starting with that premise and the realization
that they are going to have to concur with private counsel outside
the districts of the City Attorney's staff, which is all part of the
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expense in the overhead, he leans favorably toward the.Managed
Retention Program.
Mr. Weekes moved that the City accept the proposal made by
R. P. Hewitt Agency for the Worker's Compensation and the Gallagher
Agency for Public Liability for a Managed Retention Program for the
City of Delray Beach, seconded by Mr. Chapin. Said motion passed
unanimously.
Before roll call Mr. Sanson stated that he thinks the sovereign
immunity law is there and is going to be upheld and has merit and sub-
stance to it; he does not see any problem with it. He stated he has
tried to keep up with the Managed Retention Program through the
articles that have come out about it with other cities that have
looked at it and experiencing it, and he has not heard any derrogatory
problems with it. With Mr. Weber's and the City Manager's concurrence
he would go along with it.
Mr. Weber commented that even though the initial cost will not
be much to begin with, when it comes budget time, he certainly hopes
that Council will remember that they want to set money aside for
future losses, or even to cover current losses that may not have been
paid yet, and not do a lot of cost cutting out of this part of the
budget.
Mr. Sanson asked Mr. Weber if he knows what they are going
to recommend on this. Mr. Siver stated they don't know but, as an
example, ultra-Conservatives might recommend the premiums that would
have otherwise been charged by the current plan; they would start
the first year with this and then decide.
At this point the roll was called.
Mr. Sanson mOved, at 5:10 P.M., for the adjournment of the
meeting, seconded by Mr. Chapin. Said motion passed unanimously.
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